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Keep Fucking Going: Resilience in Recovery and Fatherhood (w/guest Tyler Douglas)
Dr. D welcomes his son Tyler as the podcast's first-ever guest, discussing their parallel journeys through addiction and recovery, the transformative power of family support, and the mindsets that helped them navigate life's darkest moments.
• Tyler works as a prevention specialist in schools, providing substance use support for youth
• Recovery mindsets: "just keep fucking going" and "everything's gonna work out"
• The pivotal moment when Tyler asked his father to take custody of his son
• How family support and boundaries became catalysts for recovery
• Navigating divorce and mental health challenges during the pandemic
• The complicated period when father and son used substances together
• Tyler's challenge to anyone considering recovery: "Try it for six months"
Welcome to the show everyone. Dr D here, glad to have you. I always like to do a quick shameless plug for my book Grit Over Shame. You can get it wherever you buy books Locally in Ellensburg, at Gerald's and Pearl Street Books. You can get it online at Gerald'scom, amazoncom. You can get the e-book on Apple Books and Kindle and the audio book translated by Yours Truly, on Audible. Oh man, okay, so I have my first guest here. Yeah, you, yeah, see he's like oh God, here we go. You're just talking really fast. Well, I want to get to the fun part. Oh God, this is going to be good, okay. So if you like my podcast, you like the tiktoks, that I do, you can, either you can thank him. If you don't like my nonsense, you can blame him, because thank me he's why I got on tiktok force four years ago, plus now.
Speaker 1:And then he was like dad, you should start a podcast. I'm like, dude, I, I do enough shit. So anyway, first of the year started the podcast and it's just been me until this one, which will be, I think, season two, episode nine. And so I figured, well, I guess, since he made me start this nonsense, he's going to be my first guest. So welcome to Tyler. You guys know about me, so I'm going to. Let's just have Tyler introduce himself Now, just knowing that a lot of people just listen to these, so they're not watching it because I recorded on the video. So there you go, let the world know who are you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't really know where to start. So yeah, my name is Tyler Douglas I am tired of mimicking his every move and I'm his son. I don't really know where to start.
Speaker 1:Start with what do you do to make money?
Speaker 2:So I'm a prevention specialist. I describe what I do in a lot of different ways because my title doesn't really explain it very well, but I guess I'll start with that. So I'm a licensed or credentialed substance use disorder professional. I've worked in the field for about eight or nine years now. Um for most of those years was in inpatient treatment settings for substance use disorders. Um and in the last four years, which I think is the longest um, I've stayed in one spot, not due to really anything tragic or anything like that. I've just moved um on or grown out of places. But for the past four years I've worked in schools and in the school my title is student assistance professional.
Speaker 2:My focus and my specialty is still on substance use and a little differ. Differing from the treatment world is is I don't necessarily focus on treatment for substance use disorders but with youth I focus on prevention and intervention and there is some treatment. That's one of the cool parts of my role and the way they set up my position in schools is that I'm able to provide treatment to students if they need it in the school setting. Compared to you know what it used to be with, you know sending students out to get referred for assessments and getting them into a form of treatment that really doesn't fit youth very well. So that's what I do for a living.
Speaker 2:I had posted the other day that and I don, it was, I don't know, just a day that I was feeling really grateful that today I have a career. That's not really a job, it's something that I love to do. I get to show up and I get to be a support for kids and, and for the most part, I don't show up feeling like it's work, I just show up feeling like it's what I do. It's what I do, um, that's what I do with my life, um, so, yeah, that's a good segue, I guess, into what I do, uh, which then kind of goes into, uh, the other things. So I'm a dad, um, I have two boys. I've got a nine year old and a 14 year old. Um-year-old is about to be a freshman in high school.
Speaker 1:No, he is a freshman no, he's about to.
Speaker 2:The school year hasn't started. Sorry, dad, he's. No, it hasn't started yet. Go ahead, um, and uh, that's fucking crazy. And uh, my nine-year-old, he's going to be in fourth grade, um, and so that's also crazy. So, um, both my boys, they, they do have separate mothers. Um, I have good relationships with both of them, um, for the most part, um, and that's another one of my kind of favorite parts of of who I am is I get to be a dad today, um, I have my oldest son full time. I've had him full time for I don't know the past four years, uh, since I moved to Ellensburg, and uh, yeah, um, I guess those are, I think, the main two highlights of of who I am, what I do, um, and oh, and, I'm a person in recovery. Um, I've been in recovery for a little over 11 years. Um, crazy, I, uh, I got clean in in 2014, I think I was 24, um, and uh, yeah, I've, I've made it this far.
Speaker 1:so what's your. So you're um, I know you know, doing the uh work with the school district. You've done that for four years, so I guess about four or five years prior to that you did inpatient treatment. Which do you like better?
Speaker 2:working with kids, um, and where I got so I didn't just like straight transfer to working with adults, because that's what I primarily worked with um into working with youth um, one of the uh facilities that I worked with had a youth um department or youth inpatient program and and I got to work in that program for a year and and that's where I really found my passion for working with youth Nice.
Speaker 1:I have some questions. So Tyler's my first guest, so I've just come up with some questions to ask to spur conversation. I may or may not use these with future guests. I may use some version of them Next Sunday. My second guest, fittingly enough, will be Sarah Cannon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so she is going to be ready to go, but today is Tyler and so, yeah, my baby boy and I couldn't be prouder of the work you do in the community and you as a dad, how you are as a dad is actually I don't know if I've ever said this, but I'm a little envious of it in some ways, because there was a period of time when you were young where I wanted you full time Wasn't able to happen.
Speaker 1:You know, life did whatever it did, but it's really cool and you know me and Katrina give you a bad time sometimes because you and Anthony fight like brothers, which is kind of annoying because sometimes I'm like you're his dad. But it's also cool the relationship you have with him and I I really commend you for that and with a lark, that you're highly involved with a lark and it was cool the you had him up here and you got a lot of alone time with him and I know that was meaningful for him. But who you are as a person in this community, a person in recovery, the friends you are to the people you have in your world, and you as a dad, um, I couldn't be prouder of who you are. Um, you know I I bitch and I say you should do things, and I'm always going to do that. But you do need to know that you're a good dad and I know that's important to you.
Speaker 1:So let's go to a question. Let's ask a question. Ooh, this is a good one. So what's a belief or mindset that helped you keep going when most people would have quit?
Speaker 2:It's, I don't know, it's a culmination of a few, and sometimes I don't know, maybe it's a culmination of a few, and sometimes I don't even realize them. Um, one of the simple ones is just just keep fucking going Um, and you know, sometimes that's, that's at a drive, sometimes that's, you know, out of that's all that I can fucking do. Sometimes that is, um, I, I joke and I say it's out of spite.
Speaker 1:Um.
Speaker 2:I I joke about that in my in my early recovery, um, that I stayed clean through that period, um, out of spite, um, whether it be towards myself or towards others, um, I think at one point it was towards you. Um, it was like don't think that I can do it, fucking watch. And then the other one is and I might I don't know, I might get into this, but it was, and I talk about this a lot. It's one of the things that I'm, it's a mindset that I got from my ex-wife that I'm grateful for, and that's fucking, everything's gonna work out.
Speaker 2:Um, and the evidence has shown over the past 11 years and and I guess throughout my life, that everything does work out. Um, and when I can get into that mindset, um, I can push through, and for me it's it's like pushing through as a month to month thing. Um, and uh, you know I I get in these, you know, hard spots or these dark spots, and uh, I have to, you know, use one of those mindsets and and lately it's it's been, uh, you know, looking at the evidence of my past and you know recent, and you know farther away, that that everything's worked out so far, so so why shouldn't it now?
Speaker 1:I actually use that same mindset in my own life. Um with, uh, I think I've told you, but one area that can get me really worked up is finances. Yeah, thing right, we have thatality. But I use that kind of historical context, and Katrina is always helpful, and my circle of that, you know it. It always works out, and I think it's also important. I think you do this too. It always works out If we keep moving forward. We can't stay stuck. We have to you you know use the tools at our disposal to get through the, the difficult times. So that's good. Uh, yeah, so here we go. What's one failure you're now grateful for?
Speaker 2:and why this was, uh, I tried not to think of these questions. You sent them to me, uh, before this and and I read them like these are all stupid, um, but this is my least liked one, um, just because it's hard to think. And and I think part of that is, you know, I used to have this belief that you know everything that I've tried, you know, since entering recovery. You know, even if I wasn't necessarily successful, I never really considered them failures Because the world didn't end.
Speaker 2:My life didn't fall apart and I got to learn from those failures. Where's that question?
Speaker 1:at again. It's number three. What's one failure you're now grateful for, and why?
Speaker 2:uh. So I guess this one goes really far back and that is, uh, you know, along the lines of being a dad and before I got clean. Um. So my oldest son, uh, I had him before I got into recovery and I was not a good dad I hesitate to say that I was even any sort of father at that time and that's my, I guess, failure moment, where I think that I failed my son in quite a few different ways.
Speaker 2:I wasn't there, I was getting loaded. That was my main focus, that was what I was doing. I tried to give some semblance of being a dad. My mindset was that, yeah, I'm present, um, but in reality I wasn't really present. I was consumed by drug use and uh, uh, yeah, so I wasn't healthy.
Speaker 2:Um, and then I always remember the pivotal moment of when I called you, um and said that I, you know I needed help, or I don't even know how I worded it, the way that I always worded it is I just said that you need to take him. I always call it the one moment of clarity that I had in active use. That was the best thing that I could think of at the time. I guess I'm grateful for it now, because it was, you know, the catalyst to, to my change. Um, it did take some time, you know. I, I remember, you know, when you first took them. I, you know, for the first month or two I kind of took that as a license to go do whatever fuck I wanted. Um, but eventually the uh, I think you're pestering a little bit and um, you know my desire to, to be a dad, which was still there even in active youth right, like it doesn't go away.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, helped motivate me to get to where I'm at today.
Speaker 2:You know a lot of people and you say this a lot right about, like external, you know motivation to get into recovery and people say that you can't do it unless you want to do it for yourself and blah, blah, blah, and I think it's a combination and that was a part of it. I remember like those were, you know, my goals. I remember when I first got clean, you know you had stipulations on, you know, when you know timelines on, on me being able to visit Anthony and me being able to have him overnight and um, and I look forward to those kind of milestones, along with other milestones that uh came with, you know, recovery and the 12-step world of recovery, um, but uh, it it did kind of shape who I am today, and so I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 1:yeah, grateful for you yeah in that moment yeah, that was so. For those that are listening and don't know, there, for context, there was a. What Tyler just talked about is we, katrina and I, took custody of Anthony, tyler's oldest son, for what was going to be six months, but ended up just being five months months, um, because from from our side, we, uh, we saw the writing on the wall that if things kept going the way they were going, cps would likely end up getting involved. And Tyler did. He called and said hey, you know, will you take I don't remember the exact conversation, um, but uh, will you take my son? And we talked to him and Chantel and I talk to Katrina, and we made a family decision.
Speaker 1:It was a family decision to give Tyler and Chantel space to turn their lives around. And I remember we said I said this that it was six months and he was going back somewhere. We were not going to be full time grandparents for the rest of Anthony's life, not going to be full-time grandparents for the rest of Anthony's life. And and, yeah, and, at five months, he went back to Chantel and then Tyler, like he said, it took him a little longer, but he found his path to recovery. So it was a pretty powerful thing that we can all look back on, and it's the power of family. So, yeah, good, oh, here we go. Here's a lighter one. If we could put a billboard on every freeway with one sentence from you, what would it say For the whole world to see?
Speaker 2:I don't know You're really good with quotes. I am not. The first thing that came to mind is don't fucking stop.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I laugh about that, because if it's a billboard on the fucking road, what does that look like? Or like keep fucking going right, right, and it goes back to that mindset, right, yeah, of you know, just keep pushing through and everything's going to that mindset, right, yeah, of you know, just keep pushing through and everything's gonna be all right. Yeah, and to what you said right, like having that mindset, and that's something that I did leave out is you got to put in the footwork?
Speaker 2:yeah, right so don't, don't stop, just just keep, keep moving, yeah so, yeah, that'd be a great billboard sign.
Speaker 1:Just keep fucking going. It reminded me of when Chiba died, my good friend. She works up on campus, kelsey. She gave me a keychain. I still have it and all it says is keep fucking going. And I think you do have that in you, even when you don't recognize it yourself. Yeah, I think you do. I think you do, and that's a good quality to have. Here's a good quality to have. Here's a good one. I'm interested to hear your take on this, because I'm sure you have friends come to you with this. What advice would you give to someone who's stuck, not because they lack a dream it's number four Not because they lack a dream, but because they doubt themselves, because they doubt themselves.
Speaker 2:It goes back to that kind of same mindset and I don't like to give advice. When people come to me, I give them my experience and I speak to what I see in them. And I think I do that partially because I know when I reach out to people, people remind me of what they see in me and I know for me that's a confidence booster. And even in the moment, you know, and in those conversations I get into the you know the yeah, yeah, yeahs, or the, I know, I knows which.
Speaker 2:You know, when we get into that or when I get into that, I can't, I'm not really listening. Um, but it, it eventually, you know, seeks in, it sinks in and um, yeah, and so that's, that's kind of how I talk to people is, um, and I do this a lot with with my students. You know, teenagers, they um, especially the students that I work with, they, you know they feel stuck. Maybe they're, you know, behind in credits. They're not, you know, looking like they're going to graduate. They don't have any plans for um, you know after high school or what they're going to do, especially you know the underclassmen, the freshmen, sophomores, things like that, and I really just focus on you know their skills, even if they don't see them, and just highlight those and try and build confidence in others through highlighting their positive qualities, rather than giving them advice like you should do this or you should do that.
Speaker 2:I do do that and it's kind of a. I got it from this video that we used to play in treatment. It's a really old video, but the guy talks about never give advice and and there's a caveat to that, you know, and that's only if you're asked, and even if you're asked, you be careful. And so if I'm asked for advice, you know I try and get the person's viewpoint and you know what exactly they're looking for and then give them, you know, that honest take. And if I can input any of my personal experience into what they're going through or dealing with, then I'll do that, but I'll also kind of uh reiterate that that's only my experience.
Speaker 1:Um, so, yeah, yeah I took a class during my undergraduate program personal development. I don't remember what it was, but it was about communication, all that. And the professor said never stop giving advice, never give advice. I'm like what he's like yeah, most people don't want your advice. Most people want to be heard and you and me do this with each other and we do it pretty well most all the time is do you want feedback? Yeah, and, and people will tell you and sometimes you'll call me and I just want you to listen, shut the fuck up. Like I tell Anthony, you know him and I I'm like grandson, grandpa, can't listen. I don't have to give you advice, just tell me you know. So, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, here's a good one. What's a habit or routine you swear by, even if it makes no sense to anyone else? I don't know if I have an answer for this one. As you know, I don't do well with routine. I don't do well with consistency, and if I do do anything consistent, it's probably not the healthiest things. I don't know what number is that again?
Speaker 1:That is number six. What's a habit or routine you swear by, even if it doesn't make sense to anyone else? Oh, I stumped the band on this one.
Speaker 2:A lot of these, when I you know, when I first read them, a lot of these uh stumped me, and and so I actually I would ask for your help. What do you, yeah, what do you possibly see that I might do regularly or routinely?
Speaker 1:you suit up and show up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought about that and I kind of felt it was too general.
Speaker 1:No, I think that you've actually had massive improvement in this area and I think some of it is since you shift your career and you love your job. Like you suit up and show up for your job. You suit up and show up being a dad. No, do you do it perfectly? No, but you're dude, you do it right. You suit up and show up being a son. To me you're like your friendships and I think I think sometimes with like your, I've got my really rigid routines, you know, like my morning routine and all that that I talk about. But I think that it's important to really recognize, and I would even say I think your relax time is when you're gaming you.
Speaker 1:That's a relaxing thing for you right so there's one that that might not make sense to some people like, oh, that's a waste of time, that's relaxing for you.
Speaker 2:So those are the things I think that you do pretty darn well yeah, that's something you know, and I guess gaming is is one of the things and it's also something that I have to be careful of. Um, you know, because you know that that is, you know, true, in some sense, that it can be a waste of time and, and I can over it, um, but I usually um, when I'm, you know, going through stressful times, I try and set aside time whether it be a couple hours or or whatever, to to kind of just get out.
Speaker 2:Um, I guess another routine is you know, I'm involved in 12 step recovery.
Speaker 2:So, you know, going to meetings, um, I don't go every single day, um, but I I try and make it a point to go somewhat regularly, um, about once a week or so, um, and uh, yeah, I through a time Um, I think it's going to be three three years ago in September, where my mom passed away, um, and it was really hard for me to suit up and show up.
Speaker 2:It was really hard for me to get up for work and and go to work and, um, and you know, I remember, you know you and and uh, you know calling me and you still do this is just get the up, get out of bed and take a shower. You know, and there were times where I would, you know, I'd sleep in with no intentions on going to work. You know, I was a couple hours, few hours, you know, past my you know time that I'm usually at work and I think there were times where I'd call you and you'd just say get in the shower and then see how you feel after that. You know. So that kind of I still use that. You know, when I don't want to wake up, I just hop in the shower nine times out of 10 after a shower and just get dressed and get back into a routine of you know, drinking my coffee and getting my car and going to work.
Speaker 1:That's good. Yeah, you kind of answered this in a couple ways ways, but maybe you'll think of something different. Tell me about a season in your life when everything felt stacked against you, and what got you through it uh, yeah, so this isn't.
Speaker 2:This is the one where I immediately thought of uh, the time and I haven't really touched on it is, um, right before I moved here going through my divorce, um, that was arguably one of the hardest times in in my uh, in my, in my life, in your life, yeah, um, you know, I always, I always compare like recovery to you know, pre-recovery and um and you know, even compared to the things that I went through, an act of addiction, that was a time that was, um, that was really, really dark and that, like your addiction, was hard.
Speaker 1:But for me, as your dad, that was the time when you went through your divorce that I was worried the most.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and and to be, you know, really vulnerable. That was um a time where, you know, I, I, I had felt the dark, the darkest, um suicidal, um, I, I didn't have any attempts um an active addiction. I had. I had a few attempts um, but I don't think the those were very impulsive choices. Then, um, the thoughts that I was having during this time were a lot more thought out, um and um, yeah, it was, it was.
Speaker 2:It was a really dark time, um, and as far as, like everything you know feeling stacked against me, I, you know I lost my, you know, I would say 95 percent of my, you know support circle, um, you know, being in recovery and and being married in recovery, into somebody else in recovery, yeah, and I think, in just you know everyday life, when you have, uh, you know you build a life and you have mutual friends and things like that and everything changes and uh, so, yeah, that social circle kind of disappeared. My involvement in recovery. As far as going to meetings, stopped. That was also smack dab in the middle of the pandemic, even if I wanted to go to a meeting. It was hard. It was really easy to stay isolated in my house. I lost a job.
Speaker 1:I left the job yeah.
Speaker 2:However I was. I was forced to leave a job due to my you know mental state and some other factors. Um and uh it everything did it. It just felt really hopeless.
Speaker 1:Um, so what got you through it?
Speaker 2:I remember I and it goes back to just fucking keep going and you were a big part of it. I remember when I, when I lost the job, when I, you know, finally sat down and I had the conversation, uh, with the, with the CEO, and he gave me my options and I made my choice and I left and I was, I was a mess and I just I couldn't really drive anywhere. I pulled out of the parking lot, I drove across the street, I parked. I think you were the first person I called and this is one of the times where I don't think I asked for it.
Speaker 2:But you told me to just call my previous employer and my previous employer I left in very good standings they are where I got started in the field. I had a lot of people there that supported me and he just said, you know, call and, uh, and I had resigned, um, from from that job, uh, that I, that I'd lost or whatever, and so, like I wasn't, you know, there wasn't really a chance of unemployment or there wasn't any kind of safety net to help me and I was on my own, I was in the middle of a divorce and I, you know, I didn't have anything else. And so I, just, I even, you know, despite the mental state that I was in, I kind of sucked it up and, you know, held back my emotions and my tears. And I think, after you know, five minutes of sitting there, I called um, and I don't, you know, I doubt he watches this, but his name's, uh, tom Davidson. And um, you know he doesn't work there anymore, but you know, I just, you know, without explaining anything, I just said I, I'm, I need a job, and and, and he was like it's only a formality. And in that phone call he said it's a formality, but we'll have you in for an interview in a week and so that I mean, that's one example of you know what kind of kept me going or how I got through. It is just just pushing forward.
Speaker 2:And then I guess you know further than that, it was, you know, was able to get connected to recovery meetings online and actually found one that was based out of Ellensburg, and I would say that that specific meeting saved my life. Now, I don't know if I've really ever told you about that, but that was, you know. I attended that meeting for, you know, a few weeks and I didn't really, you know, go into detail a lot. And then there's, there was one evening where I just unloaded and and I needed it, and the people that were in that meeting were there and I built amazing relationships and it's one of the factors that pushed me to move to Ellensburg. All good stuff, yeah. So getting connected and just pushing forward, yeah, striving.
Speaker 1:So, if I'm hearing you correctly, based on what you shared family, friends, support, online meetings, because this was during the pandemic and then you wanted to make sure to add professional help through counseling and through doctors that's what helped you get through, yeah, so this has been really, really good. I think we're getting close to a good amount of time. I didn't tell you I was going to do this, but this is an opportunity for you to ask me a question or two.
Speaker 2:In our two now this is where I hope everything crashes. It got brought up in a conversation after your book um breeding, and it's something that I can touch on too if you want me to. As far as my experience and we've talked about it a little bit um about your kind of journey to recovery and um the point in time where you returned to use and I was involved in that uh-huh, um, how did you navigate the feelings regarding our time together and using together?
Speaker 2:and, uh, yeah, how do you mean? I mean, I, I guess to before that you know is is what were the, the feelings that you had, um, after or leading to the end of that time period of of me and you using?
Speaker 1:using together, yeah, yeah. So how I described that whole time period is I kind of, you know, previous to returning to use, I was a different person in recovery, I had different views of recovery and our relationship was strained. It had become strained. This is previous to me returning to use and it was really. I really struggled as a dad because we were so distant. What did happen is when I returned to use and then you and I started hanging out and using together, is it was like a weight was lifted, it was I had.
Speaker 1:It was a lot of fun we did. We had a dude, we have great stories, we had a lot like I get goosebumps. We had a lot of fun, yeah, and what I talked about and I shared a little bit is I knew pretty quickly for myself and then when you came in the picture, that oh shit, this, this wasn't going to end well, and so I knew that I needed to find a road back to recovery, and me and Sarah talked about we. I think we talked about it with we're like come on, dude, let's go back to recovery. You just weren't there. We're far from there. Yeah, and that was really hard. I felt a lot of guilt, um, I felt um remorse and then you know, of course, frustration. You know, I think it would have taken you a year and a half, two years, to finally get your road to recovery-ish. Was it more? It was a lot more.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was. Oh shit, it was a lot more dude.
Speaker 1:It was Wow.
Speaker 2:Or 17 to 20. I can't remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, so that's kind of my take on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, mm-hmm, yeah, yeah, yeah I always um and the person I was talking to I you know they're not a person in recovery and, uh, you know they got into you know kind of the I don't know really deep about. You know there must've been a lot of guilt and and there you know, I'm sure there was Um, but I agree with you and I always tell people like yes, it was, it was crazy, it was toxic.
Speaker 1:It was unhealthy.
Speaker 2:But for me and I was, I was in already into, you know, hard, hard drugs and things like that and and yeah, our relationship was strained and during that period of time I got to be close to you, um, and for me it was I've I'd never felt safer in active use during that time, which is crazy, because we did crazy shit, um.
Speaker 2:But then I also and I think it's I don't know if it's the opposite or just different feelings is, after you and sarah, you know, chose to get back into recovery, I had a lot of resentment, yeah, um and uh, and it, and it took me a long time to to kind of get through that um, and which is which I think created a lot of the you know uh, more strain that we dealt with david after, yeah, the david period, um and uh, yeah. But I think you know, once I got into recovery and and doing some work on myself and looking at stuff, for me it wasn't all bad and that resentment quickly left, especially once I got into recovery and I understood what healthy boundaries were and then had to experience how to use, know, use some of those on my own, with, with a family member yeah um, which was hard, but yeah, yeah cool parting words for the audience, for anyone out there from you, tyler, who might be listening to this and thinking you know, maybe I want to turn my life around.
Speaker 1:Maybe, whether it it's drugs and alcohol, negative behavior, let's just focus on addiction and they're they're struggling, what, what? You have an opportunity, you have a mic. Close this up with what you would say.
Speaker 2:Um, I guess it would be. I always give this challenge to uh clients that I've I've worked with. I probably picked it up from some counselor that mentored me, um, and I try not to be a counselor in my everyday life, to my friends and things like that. But, um, if you're wanting to give recovery a shot, or if you're wanting to, you know, make a life change, um, give it a shot and try it for six months and then call me and we'll talk about all the ways that your life has improved, cause I guarantee you that in that amount of time, there are going to be improvements. Um, and uh, I guess, yeah, that's, that's the thing is, you know, try it for a period of time, give it a shot 90 days, yeah, six months, whatever, you know, whatever that looks like, yeah, and then, after that kind of take an inventory of the things that have improved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, here we are, father and son, two bright, shining examples of we gave our all to drugs and alcohol. Gave our all, trust me, friends, and we both, individually, made the decision to give our all to turning our lives out, turning our lives around in recovery. So that's it for this one. My very first guest, mr Tyler Shane Douglas, thank you for being here. Next weekend it'll be Sarah. We called ourselves the three amigos. It was a different word. I'm not going to say that because it's not politically correct. People would get upset, but we had quite the journey. So tune in next weekend for Sarah. Thank you for joining us. Have a good rest of your day.